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General Discussions => Anything Goes!! => Topic started by: RG on June 13, 2015, 03:50:44 AM
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In true 'Murica form, I am now a gun owner. Some of you may not have a gun, some of you may have many. I have NEVER owned a gun until yesterday. I have shot guns but not in a very long time and when I did they were rifles. I've never fired a handgun, other than a BB gun, lol. My Dad is down visiting and he is Ex-Marine and owns 16 guns or so. He's a gun connoisseur I guess you could say. He tried to give me a gun last year on a visit down and I didn't take it. Yesterday as soon as I got home from work, he takes me outside to show me the 3 guns he brought on his road trip and makes me take one! He has a multiple conceal and carry permits that allow him to travel through most states with a weapon, legally. He lives in SC and I in GA but the 2 don't recognize each others permit, lol. Politics! He had to get one from AZ as it is recognized in GA and I think 7 other states. Weird.
Since I got the gun for free I figured I'd order a laser sight, just for the gadget freak in me, as well as 2 more mags, a speed loader, and a nice holster and a handle extender as it's a little wee fella. It's a Beretta Nano 9mm so it'll be a good gun to carry once I get my permit. You may be asking why the change of heart? Well, in short, the world is crazy. Recently in my area, some nut job came into a local convenience store/package store/check cashing place and opened fire. He killed the owner and a customer and was firing at more and would've most likely killed several more if it hadn't been for a patron being armed and shooting at this guy to make him get out of the store and flee. He later was killed by police in a stand off. As my Dad says, it's better to have it and not need than to need it and not have it.
I have converted. I now don't feel safe and I want to be able to protect myself and family. I am also going to install an alarm on my house after threatening to do it for 10 years, lol. I have a dear friend who is a cop and he's been telling me for the longest to get myself a weapon. Some will say get a shotgun, he always said to get a pistol, easy to hold, easy to use. Point, aim for the core, shoot. My Dad says the same thing. He said don't shoot to injure, you don't want to give the intruder/bad guy any chance to shoot and kill you. Once you make that crucial decision to fire, you must make it count. Nobody WANTS to shoot anybody but if put in that spot then you have to be the quicker one on the draw.
Aside from the protection stance of owing a gun, I do think it will be a fun hobby. I went to Wal-Mart yesterday and bought some ammo, a cleaning kit and a fishing pole (see, I like fishing too Dave, lol) but it turns out I have to return the ammo because the dang gun range won't let you use Tula Ammo as it's a metal case, not brass. Bummer, it was cheap by comparison.
If this goes well, if my wife likes to shoot it, I am going to buy her a 380 that she can keep in her purse, or get her a little concealed holster. They make pink guns, which she is sure to like, lol. That cracks me up but I can see why they do it. Pretty smart marketing if you ask me. So, now that y'all have read my small book about guns, what do you guys have? Tell me about your experience. Is it addictive as my Dad tells me it is? Am I going to the "poor house" by getting into the hobby? :)
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I am going to a local gun range on Wednesday and will look to see what courses I can find. I am looking forward to it! I have a good friend who owns a Pawn Shop and sells lots of guns, I am sure I'll be seeing him more often now ;)
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Congrats on the big step, Jason! I just finished building an AR-15 from an 80% lower receiver (actually not considered a "firearm" until you finish milling the trigger well out of the receiver). Fun little project!
Let me give a little advice, from someone who has shot for over 40 years, both military and law enforcement, police sniper school grad, and certified law enforcement firearms instructor: Train, train, and then train some more! Going to the range, occasionally, for a little "plinking" is one thing; carrying is a whole other animal. Not only do you need to become very proficient in the actual use of the firearm, you also need to be proficient in the carry and deployment, should the need arise. Too many new CCW holders are poorly trained, and never practice, which actually increases the danger of the wrong person getting shot in a "real world" encounter.
Your local range or gun store should be able to recommend a good instructor. Try to find one that specializes in concealed carry, learn, and then practice as much as possible!
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I am going to a local gun range on Wednesday and will look to see what courses I can find. I am looking forward to it! I have a good friend who owns a Pawn Shop and sells lots of guns, I am sure I'll be seeing him more often now ;)
RG , I think most states require a coarse and like Tony mentioned carrying a concealed weapon is a whole other animal and practice makes perfect for that out of the blue situation when it could be your life His or Her . Tony , nice work on the AR-15 .
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Thanks Artie! Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but all functions seem to be perfect! Hopefully, next weekend will be it's maiden voyage. It's a simple one - just a patrol carbine. I don't need all the fancy crap they put on them now - good ol' peep sights and a carry handle.
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Let me give a little advice, from someone who has shot for over 40 years, both military and law enforcement, police sniper school grad, and certified law enforcement firearms instructor: Train, train, and then train some more! Going to the range, occasionally, for a little "plinking" is one thing; carrying is a whole other animal. Not only do you need to become very proficient in the actual use of the firearm, you also need to be proficient in the carry and deployment, should the need arise. Too many new CCW holders are poorly trained, and never practice, which actually increases the danger of the wrong person getting shot in a "real world" encounter.
I could not agree more. I have a 1911, a Mossberg .410 pump for my wife, and a SIG 556R in 7.62X39. I bought it when the current administration was bent on banning a lot of weapons. Bought it because I can, not because I needed it. Bought it because I like clinging to my Bible and guns. Someday, I will head for the range and burn ammo. Until then it stays locked in the safe with the 1911 seeing daylight and targets on a regular basis as well as being with me when I travel. I have taught my son and daughter-in-law how to safely handle it, load it, shoot it and hit what they aim at. Very rewarding. But it is an awesome responsibility not to be taken lightly.
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+1 to Dave and other comments regarding handling, usage, and deployment proficiency. With the state the USA is in today being prepared is the smart move. Additionally, when a person gets older they are not in the same condition to physically protect themselves and subsequently become targeted more frequently. Being prepared to protect yourself also involves situational awareness. Be aware of your surroundings. And if you get a carry permit, then carry. Always. Even at home. Do not leave your weapon at home because "it's just a quick trip".
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Tony , it sure is funny how much everything has changed considering when I first started shooting ( 13 or a we bit younger ) my father was in charge of the Navy gun team and the only weapon or weapons that really were used at the time was the M-1 , 45 ,or a match rifle for those who had a little more money to spend .
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Great Advice Tony, And I like the AR, RG check out the sig P238 nice and dependable when looking at buying your wife one. And as the others have said you can't practice to much.
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I need to point out the obvious, all you gun folks should be members of the NRA, they're the ones that'll make sure you can keep them, Life membership should be considered by all Americans
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In GA you don't need to go through a course to get a concealed weapons permit. I will look into a course as I mentioned above but I can tell you that I am pretty competent and have common sense. I have a friend that is a competitive shooter, and another one that is a trick shooter and runs a pawn shop. I'll check with them on a good course to take. Should be fun!
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Jason, you might want to look at getting a Florida CCP rather than a Georgia one. It will give you reciprocal rights in some 36 states if you include states like Vermont etc which have free carry. The reciprocal states include Georgia.
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I need to point out the obvious, all you gun folks should be members of the NRA, they're the ones that'll make sure you can keep them, Life membership should be considered by all Americans
Absolutely! Been one for a long time!
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I Florida you can take a morning or afternoon class for a concealed weapons permit at most of the places that sell guns.
Greg, I am pretty familiar with these types of courses, and they're like someone who goes to truck driving school to get their commercial driver's license; just enough to pass the test. At that point, they are not a "qualified" solo truck driver. The real training, and learning, starts after that and continues forever. A new grad truck driver still has to drive with a trainer for up to 8 weeks before going solo. Someone new to firearms should spend much more time than a "morning or afternoon" to learn what it takes to carry a concealed weapon....just saying! They also need to be mentally prepared for a lethal force encounter, which is not something that can be taught in a few hours.
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Let us not forget rapid breathing and heartbeat, and adrenaline, and a host of other physiological factors that do not occur on a rifle or pistol range. They are very real when confronting a living creature be it animal or man. Hunters experience them to one degree or another, as do the military and law enforcement personnel. As I said earlier, it is an awesome responsibility.
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Just go ahead and save yourself the trouble and get a gun trust going now for the suppressors and class 3 stuff you are going to want soon. ;D
I need to point out the obvious, all you gun folks should be members of the NRA, they're the ones that'll make sure you can keep them, Life membership should be considered by all Americans
No thanks...
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Let us not forget rapid breathing and heartbeat, and adrenaline, and a host of other physiological factors that do not occur on a rifle or pistol range. They are very real when confronting a living creature be it animal or man. Hunters experience them to one degree or another, as do the military and law enforcement personnel. As I said earlier, it is an awesome responsibility.
Great point, Dave! You will do, under stress, what you do in training. High-stress leads to loss of fine motor skills - that's why we train to shoot "center mass." Much more likely to hit your target. You always hear the Monday morning quarterbacks asking why the police had to shoot to kill; They have no idea "why" the officer is firing in the first place! When an encounter elevates to use of lethal force, it usually occurs at very short range, in a very short period of time. Anyone who tries to breath, aim at an arm or leg, then finely-place that shot, will not live to see another day. Practice, center-mass, and muscle memory is what will save you in a high-stress encounter.
Police are never trained to "shoot to wound," they are trained to stop the threat. A wounded suspect, who has already shown intent to take your life or the life of another, can still shoot back. Shoot until the threat is no more.
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In the past ( over the years ) I have owned many weapons from handguns , shotguns , to rifles , and have been a avid hunter and a person who has frequented many ranges for practice in the past and present never giving a second thought about taking a certified coarse for a concealed weapons permit until I started getting older ( 63 ) feeling I need a little more protection weather it be around the house or daily considering I sometimes feel it is the Wild - Wild West all over again no matter how safe it seems to be or should be in this day and age .
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I need to point out the obvious, all you gun folks should be members of the NRA, they're the ones that'll make sure you can keep them, Life membership should be considered by all Americans
X-2 that , and not to mention that I also have a membership with the NRA .
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This is good, thanks for all of the info fellas ;) I'll snap a pic of it and post it up here to show her off. It's nothing fancy, certainly not an AR-15 but it feels well made and balanced. It's a starting point. I am too lazy to read if I posted this already but my Dad tried to give me this gun a year ago and I told him no. This time I took it and glad I did!
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Here the little sucker is! It's never been fired, can't wait to try it out.
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Something else to consider. For home defense, get some blank ammo for your favorite weapon of choice, or have a competent gun smith pull the bullet and seal it. Now, in the privacy of your own home, with everyone safe and behind you or out of the house altogether (no infants), and the lights out, fire a round or two provided you can do so without violating laws and scaring the neighbors. What you experience on a range, and what you will experience inside 4 walls at night will be quite different. Noise and flash are amplified.
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You will love the Beretta as they shoot very well. I have the M9-Beretta same as what is issued to the military, that I wore as a security guard to pick up a little extra money. To boost the retirement from uncle sam. I also have a Colt Mark IV Series 70 Government Model 45. Which was the same gun we were trained with in the Navy & Marines for SP/MP duty. I have put 300 rounds thru the Beretta and not a single complaint. As a guard was trained to shoot for the chest and second to the throat or head. But, first is always in the chest, all the instructors taught to fire 2 shots back to back. First always in the chest. Have not really tried the 45 at a range. As the others have said take a good course. And take the wife along as well. Would not hurt for her to get trained. Really the 9mm would be a good gun for her as they do not have much recole. Good luck.
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Thanks Bill. I am going to get us both enrolled in a course and I am going to get her a Pink Nano. That way we can share mags. Later down the road I may buy something else for myself, we'll see.
Here's what hers will look like, I may add the grip extender to one of the mags as well as get her a laser also.
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Your opinion of the NRA might vary, but the constant practice is very good advice. As annoying as some people at them can be, I prefer the unmonitored outdoor ranges at conservation areas here for the simple reason that very few indoor ranges allow draw and fire or double taps...essentially nothing that you would use in real life, should the need arise.
Another thing that was alluded to, but not said outright is that you can practice that carry/deployment stuff all the time at home. I typically carry at home (easiest way to ensure you have a weapon in the room you're in is to carry it) and sometimes while watching TV will practice drawing, flicking the safety and pointing (then checking aim to see how close I was)...after unloading it, of course.
As for ammo for all that practice, you can get some decent deals at various online stores if you're willing to buy in bulk. That's not an issue for me as it's a fun hobby and I try to shoot at least pistols 2-4 times a month to keep muscle memory.
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Good Point Steven, I totally forgot about the practice draw. But, had mine down to 2 sec. when was doing the security guard duty. I also wanted to share ammo I use the Winchester Ranger, Law Enforcement Ammunition for the 9MM. This is for home protection and not plunking. And for the 45 full metal jacket, I know will go thru bricks. Also I usually just buy something at the range to practice.
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I just pulled the trigger (no pun intended) and ordered my wife a Nano in pink. It should be at the FFL (licensed firearm dealer located up the road from me) by the end of the week. Now she's got her one and I have one. I am actually trying to talk my son into buying a pistol instead of a $600.00 exhaust for his Mustang. That car is probably going to win the battle :)
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I highly encourage NRA Membership as they do a great job of actively protecting our rights to carry and hunting as well. I have had a CC permit for quite a while and am an avid hunter. I carry a Kahr CW9 that is a nice size of CC. I hated the original sights so I changed them out for Tritium sights so they glow in the dark.
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I highly encourage NRA Membership as they do a great job of actively protecting our rights to carry and hunting as well. I have had a CC permit for quite a while and am an avid hunter. I carry a Kahr CW9 that is a nice size of CC. I hated the original sights so I changed them out for Tritium sights so they glow in the dark.
I'll look into BB. As for the glow-in-the-dark sights. I see the attraction there but the laser sight should do the job too I would think. I can already tell that this is going to be an expensive hobby, lol. It's way overdue. I've been meaning to do this for a while and I decided to do it while I still can. There may be a day soon that Big Brother limits what we can do, I feel it may not be far off under the current administration. I don't want this to turn into a political debate so I'll quit while I'm ahead, lol.
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One of the great things about laser sights is that they can teach you intuitive pointing skills. With an unloaded gun, not looking at the sights and maybe even holding the gun off to your side, point it at an object and then press the laser activation button to see how accurate you were. This may save your life in a combat situation, shooting round a wall for example. Most of my handguns have lasers on them. BTW I'm a life member of the NRA and strongly believe in supporting them. I have seen first hand the "salami principle" of gun control in the UK. First handguns were tightly legislated and then subsequently totally banned. Then shotguns were tightly controlled and then essentially banned. Now all you can get in the UK is a pellet gun. Let's work hard to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights. Sorry, didn't mean to get political but RG is a bit of a rabble rouser (briskets AND guns)!!
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Uh oh! You said brisket! Lol
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Sounds like you're on the right track, Jason, and also becoming consumed by a new and exciting hobby! ;)
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Tony, it seems that way! I am excited for my wife to be in on it with me as she is on the smoking. Makes things much easier that way :)
The local Sheriff's office offers a free gun course that lasts 8 hours, I need to see when the next one is and get my wife and I on the list. They just had one back in March, I don't know how often they do it though. I can't find any info on the net, I'll have to call down there soon.
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Jason,
The nano-weapons you have are fantastic for easy concealed carry (even what we call "deep" concealment). If you plan to carry, pick a method of carry and practice drawing and dry-firing from your concealed holster, in the place you will carry it. I recommend getting some "snap caps" for dry-fire drills, so you don't damage your firing pin (dry fire is very hard on it).
With that being said, I want to add that you will eventually want to get a bigger pistol. While the nanos are great for a concealed backup, you will soon find that they are very limited at the range, and the "fun factor" will also be limited. They are good at very close ranges - 10 yards is really reaching out for very short-barreled nanos). This weapon is for very close-in, self-defense encounters; no time to draw and aim, just react and fire. As you learn to shoot, you will long for a little more "oomph!" Being able to accurately shoot farther is important, and much more fun! When you get the bug, and the desire for a little more, hit us up for recommendations! (You likely will, by the way).
On the flip side - if you learn the fundamentals of pistol shooting with a very short barrel nano, and get good, transitioning to a full-frame will be a piece of cake!
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Good info. As I said earlier, the gun was a gift so it'll have to suffice. I got my wife one as she likes mine, not too big for her hands. Finding one in pink just pushed it over the top and that also lets us use the same mags and ammo. Down the line, we'll see what I end up with ;)
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Hey RG, just realized something, your Dad being an ex-Marine can teach you to fire the hand gun. Especially if he was a Recon Marine, but all Marines know their weapons. Worked really close with them in the work I did in the Navy.
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Hey RG, just realized something, your Dad being an ex-Marine can teach you to fire the hand gun. Especially if he was a Recon Marine, but all Marines know their weapons. Worked really close with them in the work I did in the Navy.
Yep, he's an expert shooter. Even at 72 he's dead eye dick!
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The Wife's plinker came in today. We are going next week one day to get a conceal permit. Now I just need to find time to make it to the Firing Range to get familiar with it.
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Not sure where I picked this up at. But, rotate the bullets in the clip once per month. That way you don't have excess pressure on the bullet at the top of the clip.. Since I keep 10 rounds in the M9 I usually half them and then back in the clip. Also this give you practice in loading a clip as those springs have some heft to them. In the 45 I keep 5 rounds but still rotate them.
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Thanks for the info. Any and all tips are welcomed!
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There is also the 'possibility' (wives tale?) that keeping the magazine fully loaded causes the spring to set over time. Dumping rounds and loading a different magazine prevents this (again the wives tale). Read this in Guns and Ammo in the 80's or 90's. Any opinions?
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I can tell you it will eventually weaken the spring. This probably won't happen much faster than your range mags that get loaded/unloaded regularly, but on my old P95, I had one mag that I just left the defense rounds in. One day I decided to use it for plinking so I took those rounds out and put target rounds in and that spring was weeeak.
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David, I too have read this over the years and so I keep my mags loaded to one round less than their capacity. Don't know if this helps but I have never had any problems.
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I have not had any issues either and hit the range with the 9 mm a few times a month to keep up muscle memory. I really need to take the 45 for and put 100 rounds thru it. And really see how accurate it is.
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There is also the 'possibility' (wives tale?) that keeping the magazine fully loaded causes the spring to set over time. Dumping rounds and loading a different magazine prevents this (again the wives tale). Read this in Guns and Ammo in the 80's or 90's. Any opinions?
I've never had a problem with spring "set" or weakening - old wive's tale, imo. It may have been true many, many years ago, when technology wasn't as good for spring manufacturing, but quality springs today don't set.
By the way, Bill - your rounds go into magazines, not "clips." Totally different animal. The "anti-gun" crowd loves to call them clips.
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The permanently loaded magazine on my Colt 1911 contains 5 rounds. When shooting I load 7 but at home for night time insurance only 5. No set yet.
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I keep 5 in mine also, figure if they get past 5 rounds nothing is going to put them down. Just used to calling them clips rather than magazine as sometimes actually most of the time my spelling is not what it used to be. Apparently the Ginkgo biloba is not working. lol
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Well guys, that "free gun" that I got last week has gotten expensive. Since getting that gun I have bought :
QTY - Item
1 - Beretta Nano 9mm Pistol (Pink for my wife)
1 - Nano 8 round 9mm Magazine
4 - Nano Mag Grip Extension for 6 round mags
2 - Nano 6round 9mm Magazine
2 - LaserMax CenterFire Laser Sight
1 - Snap Cap (set of 5)
1 - Pink Ear Muffs/Safety Glass Combo
1 - Black Ear Muffs/Safety Glass Combo
1 - IWB Holster for my gun
1 - Range Bag
1 - Gun Cleaning Kit
1 - 100 Round Box of Winchester 9mm 115 grain ammo
Her gun came with both an 8 round mag and a 6 round mag so I ordered an 8 round for mine. Now we have two 8 round and four 6 round to share. Since I like the grip extender that I bought for my gun, I ordered 3 more to go on the other 6 rounders. Also, since I bought me a laser sight, I got her one to boot, lol. Do you see where this is going? I am done with the gun spending for now, my bank account is being depleted quickly! I still haven't gotten my carry permit, nor has she! That's going to be about $77.00/each. Oh well, it's done.
Happy shooting!
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And so it begins, Jason... LOL!! Definitely worse things you could spend money on! ;)
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And so it begins, Jason... LOL!! Definitely worse things you could spend money on! ;)
Yeah, like paying bills :P
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Definitely expensive, especially for the first ones. Just to add to that, do you have a gun safe? If you're staying with the pistols, you can get smaller ones to bolt down somewhere just to keep them safe when you're not around and can't carry them (that's work for me). If you're even thinking about any type of carbine/rifle then you might as well go straight for the full size gun safe.
I didn't have one for a while, but that wasn't very smart. No safe is fully theft proof, but it at least keeps the unprepared out and provides CYA should they be stolen and used in a crime.
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I don't have a gun safe. I haven't thought about it really as there is ALWAYS somebody at home. I keep mine with me around the house, leave it when I go to work, until I get my permit that is.
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Scored a SWEET tac rifle case for the new AR, for Father's Day! Drago gear - couldn't be more pleased with the quality. Customized with an old flight suit name patch, from the USAF days!
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That looks SWEET my man! I have been looking into AR-15s. there seems to be like 5,000 different ways to mod those things! What's a good base model go for? I have not really looked too hard, I think I saw ranges from $500.00 - $1500.00. Big gap!
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The permanently loaded magazine on my Colt 1911 contains 5 rounds. When shooting I load 7 but at home for night time insurance only 5. No set yet.
There were several comments regarding spring "set" or wear or loss of tension. It is an actual thing but it takes years for it to occur. The solution is not to down load your magazines but to buy quality magazines.
My H&K P7M13 mags were fully loaded and carried daily from date of manufacture in the mid 80's until I retired from the Sheriff's department in 2013. Those mags still function like new. In my 1911's we run http://www.midwayusa.com/product/123099/wilson-combat-magazine-with-extended-base-pad-1911-government-commander-45-acp-8-round-stainless-steel Wilson 8 Round mags. Yes they cost $32 each but it is a life saving tool. There is no reason to down load your weapons if you are operating quality equipment.
If you are seriously concerned with inferior heat treatment and production, you should rock a wheel gun. At least then you will have six shots.
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Jason,
If you want to take a leap into the rifle world (AR-15), look for a used rifle. Unless you really know what you want/need, you have to start with the basics. I recommend a Bushmaster, or Colt, "patrol carbine." This is typically a short-barrel model (16") with a collapsible stock. Just get one with a carry handle and iron (peep) sights, and learn how to shoot it. Good instruction cannot be stressed enough. When you get proficient with good old iron sights, you can move on to more complex optics, like red-dot sights. I know this may seem a little "Greek" to you, right now, but a little research will educate you quickly.
One of the biggest mistakes novice AR owners/shooters make is to get caught up in the whole "what all can I hang on my AR to make it look cool, like the movies?" trap. I've shot many thousands of rounds through AR-15s and M-16s with nothing more than iron peep sights, and they get the job done quite well! No amount of modern technology can replace learning basic shooting fundamentals and practice. The AR-15 is a really fun rifle to shoot; you can shoot it all day, and not have a sore shoulder! Very little recoil, but very powerful still. I taught a patrol rifle course for years, and carried one daily. It's a very capable rifle, and learning it properly is a lot of fun! Keep it simple, and you can find one pretty cheap.
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My H&K P7M13 mags were fully loaded and carried daily from date of manufacture in the mid 80's until I retired from the Sheriff's department in 2013.
If you are seriously concerned with inferior heat treatment and production, you should rock a wheel gun. At least then you will have six shots.
Whole new respect for you, brother! Didn't know you were a retired gun and badge man! Also, +1 on the wheel gun comment! Still love the wheel guns! LE family here - Dad was retired LA Sheriff, brother a career cop in the USAF and Colorado AG office, and me a former city cop. Thank you for your years of service, Brian!
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Oh my...somebody started the AR discussion. To put that in some perspective, you know how many ways people on here cook briskets and how...adamant...some are about their way of doing so? Multiply by 100 or so and you have the number of common arguments for the best basic AR build. I'm not even talking tactical gear and such on them. For instance, I don't like the M-16 style carry handle and instead prefer a flat top and basic optics (quality glass but without the bells and whistles, just a set 4x) with backup iron sights. But yeah, might as well ask 100 people from 50 different countries what the best food item in the world is.
What you will mostly get agreement on is the brands to buy and/or avoid with some in the middle that you'll hear both ways. I've heard some denigration of my CMMG, but got it on the recommendation of a former military member who has put thousands of rounds through his. Your standards such as colt, rock river and bushmaster will cost a bit more, but they're very well proven as well.
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All of my time was not with the Sheriff's dept. I was state and private corrections combined with eight years at the SD. that gun was in service many years before I got it. But thanks for the comments.
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All of my time was not with the Sheriff's dept. I was state and private corrections combined with eight years at the SD. that gun was in service many years before I got it. But thanks for the comments.
Anyone who spent more than one day, in uniform, is a brother or sister to me. Too much anti-LE these days, and the Thin Blue Line (especially those of us who now only make Thin Blue Smoke) will always be connected.
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Hey Tony are you talking military or police or both? I was Navy for 4 years during the Vietnam era, and should have did my 20. But, was young and stupid, yes not foolish. But, that's life still getting good benefits from the local V.A. hospital. Great Doctors and really good food for a hospital. I have had a few operations and then they found the Cll Chronic lymphocytic leukemia this past Nov./Dec. But, have a great hematologist who teaches 2 days a week at KU Med. center. He also studied at Notre Dame so really am lucky to be in his care. But, good news blood levels are mostly back to normal and am feeling really good. Thought I would share a bit about myself with you.
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Hey Tony are you talking military or police or both? I was Navy for 4 years during the Vietnam era, and should have did my 20. But, was young and stupid, yes not foolish. But, that's life still getting good benefits from the local V.A. hospital. Great Doctors and really good food for a hospital. I have had a few operations and then they found the Cll Chronic lymphocytic leukemia this past Nov./Dec. But, have a great hematologist who teaches 2 days a week at KU Med. center. He also studied at Notre Dame so really am lucky to be in his care. But, good news blood levels are mostly back to normal and am feeling really good. Thought I would share a bit about myself with you.
Military and police are both in my heart, and prayers, every day, Bill! So glad to hear you are doing well with the struggle you face. Thanks for sharing, and I wish you the best! I'm married to a VA oncology RN (30 years), so veterans are important in our family!
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That is where my Hematologist works, in K.C. they combined Hematology/Oncology in the same area. On my last visit he changed my visits from by weekly to 6 weeks. Thanks for the prayers, and keep on smokin brother. Don't forget to try some almonds, as will have to brine them.
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That is where my Hematologist works, in K.C. they combined Hematology/Oncology in the same area. On my last visit he changed my visits from by weekly to 6 weeks. Thanks for the prayers, and keep on smokin brother. Don't forget to try some almonds, as will have to brine them.
Will do, Bill!
p.s. - finally "finished" the AR build with Magpul OD green furniture! Pretty happy with the 2-tone look.
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Very nice!
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Thanks Dave! Gonna build another one for my son soon. This was my first complete build - learned a few things!
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Looks pretty sweet Tony good job.
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Thanks Bill! :D
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Tony, having not done a build before, how hard was it and how did you learn the process? I am deciding on whether to pay out for a Colt LE901.
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Well, RG have you and the little lady been out shooting yet. Did you get your C&C permit? A lot of times I will just buy a box of ammo at the range. That way they have what is safe for them. Just make sure is full loads.
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Well, RG have you and the little lady been out shooting yet. Did you get your C&C permit? A lot of times I will just buy a box of ammo at the range. That way they have what is safe for them. Just make sure is full loads.
Nope, not yet. I've been slammed at work and when I get home I just want to eat and sleep, lol.
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Tony, having not done a build before, how hard was it and how did you learn the process? I am deciding on whether to pay out for a Colt LE901.
Bob, it's not difficult to complete a 80% lower receiver, if you're reasonably handy with tools, and want to invest in a jig. I used the 80percentarms.com system, and it works fantastic! As long as you have a good drill, and a router, you're good to go! I used a Bushmaster full upper assembly, and Magpul butt stock/grip/hand guards (furniture). So, not including the jig and a few small specialty tools that I didn't have, I have about $600 invested in a new rifle that I built without going through the Federal firearms license process! No serial number, and 100% legal! When you buy a 80% lower, the trigger well is not milled, so it is not a firearm, legally speaking. At this point, it is a hunk of aluminum! Once milled, it is a firearm, but you have the right to manufacture a firearm for personal use. I can never sell this AR. Do a search on "AR-15 80% lowers" and you'll learn a lot!
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I finally got in all of the
junk accessories that I ordered. I put the grip extenders on the mags and I have everything ready to load into the range bag. I can't wait to go shoot these things but it looks like it'll be next Friday if I am lucky. I wished I lived in the sticks, I'd go out back and let it rip!
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Looks like you're all set, Jason! Now let 'er rip!
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I am jonesing to shoot'em. I just haven't had the chance, it's crazy how busy life can be isn't it. I have to make time for things. BBQ seems to always get my attention though, lol.
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I have scheduled myself to be off on Friday (a perk of being self-employed I guess). My original intent was to go get my CCW permit along with my wife but I realized that since the 4th is on a Saturday the Gov't wasn't going to miss the chance to get a paid holiday so they would be taking Friday off in its place. I'm glad I realized this before I went through the trouble of driving down to the Probate Court only to find it locked up, lol.
I came home early yesterday and went down to get it done, so that's out of the way. Friday is still open so I am going to take my wife out for breakfast then to the firing range! I can't wait.
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start one of those mid-length smokes before you leave in the morning and have some yummy food waiting for you when you get home. Breakfast with the wife, time at the range and SI prepared food cooked while away...sounds like a danged near perfect day to me.
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+1 :)
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start one of those mid-length smokes before you leave in the morning and have some yummy food waiting for you when you get home. Breakfast with the wife, time at the range and SI prepared food cooked while away...sounds like a danged near perfect day to me.
Plans have changed. That's what happens when you're married. Your wife has the power to veto your ruling and make a new law, kind of like Obama, lol.
Instead of going to get some Waffle House and then to the firing range, she has made plans to go with her mother to visit her brother this morning. Then when she gets back this afternoon we're supposed to go shoot. I wanted to go this morning when they opened to make sure that we got it out of the way. I just have a feeling that it being a 3 day weekend for most that a firing range would be busy on the DAY BEFORE the 4th :)
'Murica and guns and all that :P
So, we'll see how it goes. I am going to be busy today prepping food for tomorrow and doing some overnight smokes so it's going to be tight. Maybe I can just do it like the Mexican folks do, fire in the air when I am shooting off some bottle rockets! That cracks me up when they do that, I'd be worried sick about falling bullets.
Anyhoo, get out there and shoot if you can, I'm certainly going to give it a shot.
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Hopefully, you'll make it out there, Jason! Yeah, that whole "what goes up, must come down" thing is a little scary, when shooting into the air! Anyone who actually does that has to be a complete moron! The bullets don't just disappear!! :o
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It has been pushed back to Sunday ::)
My Wife spent a little too long out and about today. I have been prepping for tonight and tomorrow's cook and now don't feel like going :(
I still have to go to Sam's today to get some stuff. I should've went to work, it's less work than what I have been doing all day, lol.
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I hear ya! I went to work today, and I would have rather been doing what you're doing. ;)
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Well folks, we finally went and shot the pistols. The verdict? I suck harder than a Dyson! I have a looooooong way to go before I can be Doc Holiday that's for sure. I think it's all about trigger control. I got better the more I shot, but my first 20-30 rounds were NOT going where I was pointing. If my target were to have been an actual human, I do believe that his crotch and thigh area would be but a distant memory or if he were to be facing away, I literally would be putting caps in his arse! :P :)
Here is my target, laugh if you must :)
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I guess on the bright side, if I were firing hollow points, I would've stopped the threat.....eventually!
My wife did much better than I did! At first she wasn't even going to do it. When we got there and she heard how loud the guns were she got a little worried. She was also worried about the recoil. I have to say, these little 9s pack a little kick! I don't know if a longer barrel would make it have less recoil but being a sub compact pistol, it pops! I imagine that it being so short makes it louder to boot?
Mrs. RG not taking any lip from the bad pink man!
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She got'em!
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Now she's jonesing to go back to shoot! We shot about 60 rounds each. I went online and ordered 2 more 8 rounds mags and 500 rounds of ammo last night! When that stuff comes in, I'll head back. I am going to see if I can book some training for us as well. I sure as heck need it!
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Not to worry, that's why we practice. Those sub-compact guns though are very difficult to shoot if you're even thinking about bullseyes because the short barrel provides a lower degree of accuracy and the smaller grip makes it harder to hold correctly. On the other hand, if you can get on an 8x11 sheet of paper and you aim for the sternum...that's a threat stopped.
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The subcompacts are terrible guns to shoot regularly for fun. I pretty much only do it to keep up practice with my carry weapons. Definitely get something bigger if you want a more accurate fun shot.
Before the idiot rush on 22 ammo, getting something like a MKIII would be the fun way to go plinking for cheap.
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So....if I can get decent at shooting the little Nano then I should do better with a full sized 9mm or 40/45 ?
It's a wee lad of a pistol, bigger than a 380. My Dad has a Bersa Thunder that is smaller and I've looked at a Beretta Pico and it was tiny too. I do like the feel of his 40 Glock and S&W 40, more comfortable for sure. Since I will be carrying the Nano, I figured I better learn how to shoot it versus a gun that I would not be carrying. I may get another pistol soon just for range use though ;) It will be easier to buy once I receive my CCW permit so I'll wait until then to look. The range I go to rents guns for $8 so you can try different ones to see how you like them if you're interested in buying one. You have to use their ammo though and I do believe they mark it up a fair amount :(
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Not to go all "Mall Ninja" as they call it but I just ordered some shooting gloves. I don't care if they are "Tacti-cool" or not, that little pistol rubbed a raw spot on the top of my thumb yesterday. I have tough hands, scarred from years of plumbing but the area that got rubbed was not a calloused part of my hands, lol. So I will be looked at as a dork (from what I've read on shooting forums) but I don't care. It's not a fashion statement, just a preventative measure. I also hope it allows me a better grip, my dang hands got sweaty and I kept fogging up my glasses to boot! Maybe I need some Rain-X anti fog on those suckers :)
It was hot in that place. I told the dude at the counter and he said they had all fans going. Maybe they need to add intake fans to the mix instead of all exhaust fans? When it's 90+ outside and as hot or hotter inside, that's a bad thing to have sweaty hands holding a pistol methinks.
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Not necessarily. Each type of gun can be a different animal.
Why is getting your CCW permit going to make getting other guns easier? Pretty much the same with or without it. Background check or in person/gun show purchases. No reason to wait for a permit to let your inner gun nut out.
Only time I use gun store ranges is to try different pistols. I like rifles too much for using them. Look for a gun club with outdoor ranges if you don't have land for it.
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Hey RG, maybe you can find one of those hats with a fan on the bill. :D Seriously, keep practicing with your CCW version and get comfortable with it. You may find you need to get a different weapon for you than your wife since you have bigger hands. Also, the larger weapons, even if you stay with 9mm will give better accuracy since they counteract the recoil better. Momentum and all that....
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Trip, having the license means I don't have to wait in store for the background check. It's just a time saver thing, not much of a big deal really. I can order guns online and have them sent to the pawn shop up the road since they have the needed FFL license. With the license, I pop in, get the gun and leave. No 10-20 minute wait looking at used chainsaws and cheap jewelry.
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Hey RG, maybe you can find one of those hats with a fan on the bill. :D Seriously, keep practicing with your CCW version and get comfortable with it. You may find you need to get a different weapon for you than your wife since you have bigger hands. Also, the larger weapons, even if you stay with 9mm will give better accuracy since they counteract the recoil better. Momentum and all that....
Yep, I found a cheap 9mm full sized pistol online. It's a Taurus (I know they get a bad rap). I've read a lot of really good reviews on it, the first run they made of it was not good but they fixed the issues and it seems to be a solid weapon and for $200.00 hard to beat. I don't recall the model # off of the top of my head but maybe I'll try it. I can get a Glock for $400.00 or less, maybe that'll be the way I go. Who knows?
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Trip, having the license means I don't have to wait in store for the background check. It's just a time saver thing, not much of a big deal really. I can order guns online and have them sent to the pawn shop up the road since they have the needed FFL license. With the license, I pop in, get the gun and leave. No 10-20 minute wait looking at used chainsaws and cheap jewelry.
Ahh, that's a Georgia thing, you have to do background checks at dealers every time no matter license or not in Tennessee.
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Taurus gets a bad rap because so many are worried about saying "This here gun cost me $XXX" where higher is better. I know several people with Taurus 9mm and not a one of them has ever experienced an issue. I run into a slightly less severe version of the same thing with my Rugers but I like em and they just work so...meh, who cares.
I did the same thing regarding rentals this last time around and shot 10 or so 9mm before settling on the SR9c. I really liked the feel of the Springfield XD but my grouping was nearly twice the size of the Ruger so guess which one I got LOL.
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I love my XDs, great feeling handgun. I replaced my sights though. Have a Ruger LCP and LC9 as well though. ;D
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Our Sheriff's Department is having department wide issues with the XD's. Failure to feed consistently on the last three rounds in the magazines. I am no longer there so I don't know how they are dealing with Springfield but I know the guys don't trust them.
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Jason, y'all did a pretty good number on Pink Man! Considering the long range you were practicing at, and the fact it was your first time with new nano-pistoles, I would have graded you very well, and would have been pleased with the "starting point" for instruction!
Here's a couple of recommendations: First, practice with those itty-bittys at a more practical distance. You should be starting out no more than 5-10 feet away. This is a very "close quarter" firearm, and if you ever have to actually use it, it'll most-likely be that close! Then, increase to 5 yards, then 10. You will not get accurate placement at much farther than that, with those short barrels. A very experienced shooter could, but you all have a ways to go for that.
Second - get Mrs. RG to loosen-up a bit! She looked like she could have run those arms through a brick wall! Don't lock the elbows - it creates a lot of muscle tension, which reduces accuracy. Do a little research on different grips and stances for pistol shooting.
Third - I agree with the comments about buying a larger-frame pistol for fun target shooting. While you need to get good with the nanobots, if you intend to carry them, realize the limitations of them, and what they are for; saving your life, or the life of another in a real situation. Practice at close range, and from the way you intend to carry it. Don't just stand there and pop a bunch of rounds. Instead, slowly practice drawing and firing 2-3 rounds "center mass" until it gets very smooth. Then, work on increasing speed. Speed will come with proficiency and practice!
For a larger frame weapon, I'm pretty "old school," and many people don't agree with me. First, the most reliable range guns you can have fun with are full-frame Smith & Wesson revolvers! Yes! Wheel guns are more reliable than ANY semi-auto, and you can pick them up used much cheaper. Second, for semi-autos, I'll never own a "Tupperware" gun (plastic frame)...Don't start the barrage, guys - just giving my opinion! This why I like 1911 .45 ACPs, and pistols like S&W full-frame (older) 4046 (stainless, .40 cal), Sigs, Rugers, etc. Basically, any steel-frame pistol. Plastic goes in the grips, not the frame.
OK, now that I've probably shared a dollars-worth of my "2¢," I'll stop now! ;)
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+1 on everything that Tony says. I carry a small frame S&W wheel gun even though I have a couple of Walther PPKs. I guess DM and I are the last of the old guard.
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Roger, I also love my Dad's '69 Colt Detective Special for carry. They really knew how to build them back then! I refinished it with GunKote (KG Industries), and I love it. Great little 2", easy to carry.
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In the smaller guns weight help also, makes them not a snappy...
These are my daily carry guns, when you start to carry one thing you might want to look at is get all the same styles of gun,,, all mine are auto, single action with a thumb safety that way no matter what i have on my hip the muscle reflex it the same, when the SHTF you really don't need to think just react,,,,oh and when you start to group here is a little info to help you get right on target...
Have fun and practice a bunch..
PJ
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I've put thousands of rounds through my XD with very little issues, probably not near the amount of rounds those guys do for practice though. They have always been some of my most trusted guns though. I know the XDMs had issues, but I own older XDs and not heard of any trust issues with them. Springfields are some of my favorites though, so I am a little biased, my M1A is one of my favorite guns.
For a larger frame weapon, I'm pretty "old school," and many people don't agree with me. First, the most reliable range guns you can have fun with are full-frame Smith & Wesson revolvers! Yes! Wheel guns are more reliable than ANY semi-auto, and you can pick them up used much cheaper. Second, for semi-autos, I'll never own a "Tupperware" gun (plastic frame)...Don't start the barrage, guys - just giving my opinion! This why I like 1911 .45 ACPs, and pistols like S&W full-frame (older) 4046 (stainless, .40 cal), Sigs, Rugers, etc. Basically, any steel-frame pistol. Plastic goes in the grips, not the frame.
OK, now that I've probably shared a dollars-worth of my "2¢," I'll stop now! ;)
1911s are a must have for everyone, lol. I like trying different pistols though, my father in law always sucks me into buying stuff from people and trades, lol. Have had a few issues with plastic frames, but I usually get rid of those quickly. I just don't like revolvers, owned a few, but they just aren't enjoyable shooters for me.
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Tony, sweet looking gun. Very nicely refinished.
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Roger - thanks! I've done several guns now with GunKote - great stuff. Trip - I totally respect what you're saying. Guns are like cars & guitars - everyone has their own "preference!" Lots like BBQ, too - no "wrong" answers, as long as it's what you like, and shoot well with! Oh, and I do believe everyone could use a 1911! ;)
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I agree with the comments about buying a larger-frame pistol for fun target shooting.
For a larger frame weapon, I'm pretty "old school," and many people don't agree with me. First, the most reliable range guns you can have fun with are full-frame Smith & Wesson revolvers! Yes! Wheel guns are more reliable than ANY semi-auto, and you can pick them up used much cheaper. Second, for semi-autos, I'll never own a "Tupperware" gun (plastic frame)...Don't start the barrage, guys - just giving my opinion! This why I like 1911 .45 ACPs, and pistols like S&W full-frame (older) 4046 (stainless, .40 cal), Sigs, Rugers, etc. Basically, any steel-frame pistol. Plastic goes in the grips, not the frame.
OK, now that I've probably shared a dollars-worth of my "2¢," I'll stop now! ;)
First off I could not have said it any better about owning a plastic frame weapon or a "Tupperware" gun considering I am pretty much in line with old school pistol's ( steel frame ) as mentioned above which is part of the reason why I have not posted on this thread because some things are better ( opinion ) left alone or not said at all concerning a weapon or pistol of your choice . X-2 Divo
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I agree with the comments about buying a larger-frame pistol for fun target shooting.
For a larger frame weapon, I'm pretty "old school," and many people don't agree with me. First, the most reliable range guns you can have fun with are full-frame Smith & Wesson revolvers! Yes! Wheel guns are more reliable than ANY semi-auto, and you can pick them up used much cheaper. Second, for semi-autos, I'll never own a "Tupperware" gun (plastic frame)...Don't start the barrage, guys - just giving my opinion! This why I like 1911 .45 ACPs, and pistols like S&W full-frame (older) 4046 (stainless, .40 cal), Sigs, Rugers, etc. Basically, any steel-frame pistol. Plastic goes in the grips, not the frame.
OK, now that I've probably shared a dollars-worth of my "2¢," I'll stop now! ;)
First off I could not have said it any better about owning a plastic frame weapon or a "Tupperware" gun considering I am pretty much in line with old school pistol's ( steel frame ) as mentioned above which is part of the reason why I have not posted on this thread because some things are better ( opinion ) left alone or not said at all concerning a weapon or pistol of your choice . X-2 Divo
All opinions welcome here, Artie! ;)
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Our licenses came in today, time to get used to carrying. It didn't take as long as anticipated, 17 days with the 4th in there to boot. Not too bad!
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Nice! Now get to training! ;)
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Nice! Now get to training! ;)
Yep, just waiting for my ammo to arrive. I ordered 500 rounds and it is taking an eternity to get here. I chose the "Free Shipping" option that first time customers can use and they waited a week before even shipping it! A WEEK! On top of that, they shipped regular old UPS ground! Snail speed. It's taking another week to get to me. So, I ordered it on 7th and won't have it until Monday the 20th :(
Buncha Jacklegs over there :P
You get penalized for taking them up there offer it seems. I guess I should've paid the $14.50 shipping costs.
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That's why you buy 5000 rounds at a time and buy another 5000 every time you go shooting. Soon you will have a nice stock of ammo. Any caliber that gets below at least 10k rounds is just not enough.
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That's why you buy 5000 rounds at a time and buy another 5000 every time you go shooting. Soon you will have a nice stock of ammo. Any caliber that gets below at least 10k rounds is just not enough.
LOL.........................or maybe it is time to start re- loading your own Ammo . Ha Ha Ha
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LOL.........................or maybe it is time to start re- loading your own Ammo . Ha Ha Ha
Did it for accuracy at one time, don't care to anymore.
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Any idea on where to get some 22lr from at a good price?
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Nice! Now get to training! ;)
Yep, just waiting for my ammo to arrive. I ordered 500 rounds and it is taking an eternity to get here. I chose the "Free Shipping" option that first time customers can use and they waited a week before even shipping it! A WEEK! On top of that, they shipped regular old UPS ground! Snail speed. It's taking another week to get to me. So, I ordered it on 7th and won't have it until Monday the 20th :(
Buncha Jacklegs over there :P
You get penalized for taking them up there offer it seems. I guess I should've paid the $14.50 shipping costs.
Where'd you buy it from?
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https://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-Luger-Ammunition-s/1818.htm
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you can use something like gunbot.net to search for ammo deals
my little city in the news making people buy more guns? My office complex has been all over it because we have been the location for the press conferences. Pretty crazy how interconnected everything is in a small town. He lived in a coworkers neighborhood, he use to intern at our company, a few coworkers went to school with him at UTC. Sad day for sure here. Never expected terrorism to come here.
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https://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-Luger-Ammunition-s/1818.htm (https://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-Luger-Ammunition-s/1818.htm)
Try cheaperthandirt.com, or midwayusa.com. I've bought tons of stuff, from both, with fast shipping and great prices. Brownell's is another great source. Gotta watch some of the cheapo-depot ammo sources - quality is questionable, and you run into problems like you're having with shipping and such. They're more like brokers, and somewhat unreliable.
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I was buying from Georgi Arms, but Freedom Munitions is cheaper now. These are my new carry rounds in my 9 and 38 spl. Watch some of the videos they are sweet.
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I was buying from Georgi Arms, but Freedom Munitions is cheaper now. These are my new carry rounds in my 9 and 38 spl. Watch some of the videos they are sweet.
I'll check them out. Have you had any shipping problems, like RG, Brian?
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Like Britney Spears said "Ooops! I did it again" ;)
Stay tuned for the details, it will be later in the week before I divulge what I am talking about. Sorry :P
Don't you just hate when people do that to you? LOL
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Thanks for the tease, Jason. ???
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I'll give you a hint. It goes "Pew Pew"!
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I'll give you a hint. It goes "Pew Pew"!
Started the process to buy a suppressor?
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Lol. Good guess. I'll give a little clue, pictures will come later in the week after the "shipments" all arrive. It's a little rifle. That's why it goes "Pew Pew" instead of "POW!!!!!".
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pew pew is pretty much any gun, lol
10/22?
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Lol. Good guess. I'll give a little clue, pictures will come later in the week after the "shipments" all arrive. It's a little rifle. That's why it goes "Pew Pew" instead of "POW!!!!!".
Hehe. I was hoping you hadn't jumped in that deep yet! ;) Sounds like a little .22 rifle? Great learning gun, and darn fun to shoot!
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.22LR, gonna be fun!
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Gonna have to tell us what kind of rifle you got, now, Jason!
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Gonna have to tell us what kind of rifle you got, now, Jason!
All good things to those who wait ;D
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Yeah, yeah....tease! LOL! ;D ;D
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Alright alright, I will spill the beans. It's a ISSC MK22. There are mixed reviews on it. The first gen had some issues but it's supposedly fixed in the 2nd gen. The problem is that I don't know if I got a 1st gen or 2nd gen. I'll know when I get it. If it's a 1st gen, I am not worried as there's an easy fix for it. The issue is light striker fire on some rounds and ftf occurs.
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I ordered a few mods so it'll look more like this (too big to post, click the link)
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It'll be a fun plinker, I have some ammo on the way along with some targets. If I get the gun in time, I plan on going out to some property next weekend to shoot with my wife, son, brother and nephew. They have a 357 magnum and a tactical 12ga. I'll bring the 2 9mms and the 22, should be fun! !
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I have an ISSC 22LR pistol. It isn't perfect, but I'm not sure it has a FTE or misfire anymore than any other automatic 22LR pistol as they all have that reputation (misfire is generally the ammo).
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Nice, Jason! I did an Archangel Nomad stock on my old Ruger 10/22. Pretty cool - now looks like a H&K G36!
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My Gun plans always get put on the back burner. The little 22 might be here tomorrow but more realistically it'll be Monday of next week. Even if it came by the weekend, I had forgotten that it's the weekend of my Daughter's 18th birthday!! She is having a small "party" here and I am not about to leave her here alone while the rest of us go shooting, lol. It'll have to wait until the following weekend. I can't wait to try it out though! I've got another 500rds of .22lr ammo coming tomorrow (for 1000rds total) so I'll be able to shoot 200-300 rounds and still have some in the batter's circle, lol.
I'll post pics of it when it comes in.
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Very funny , and not to mention that I just pulled a pistol from my Fathers Service / Foot Locker that I have not seen in over 50 years that was my Grandfathers gun, I will post pics tomorrow .
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Very funny , and not to mention that I just pulled a pistol from my Fathers Service / Foot Locker that I have not seen in over 50 years that was my Grandfathers gun, I will post pics tomorrow .
Wow! Can't wait to see that!
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Very funny , and not to mention that I just pulled a pistol from my Fathers Service / Foot Locker that I have not seen in over 50 years that was my Grandfathers gun, I will post pics tomorrow .
Wow! Can't wait to see that!
X2!!!
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Hey Jason, 22's are also good for shooting wild rabbits which would be really good on the SI. That's a given and check the liver for spots.
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Hey Jason, 22's are also good for shooting wild rabbits which would be really good on the SI.
Yeah, but wait until winter!
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Looks old. Late 1800's/early 1900's?
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That's a cool little piece right there! I like the patina. It looks heavy, built like a tank, very solid.
My little pea shooter isn't going to be here until tomorrow. UPS had marked it as arriving Monday originally (since they don't do Saturday delivery unless you PAY for it). Then the suckers updated tracking Friday morning saying that it was scheduled for early delivery on Friday! I was stoked! I went off to work thinking that I was going to have a toy to play with when I got home. Nope. It said the same message about early delivery ALL day then at about 7:00pm it changed back to Monday as the gun sat at the Atlanta hub ALL day instead of being out for delivery. >:( >:( >:(
Cruel I tell ya! :P
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Gentlemen, the time has arrived. The little 22 plinker finally arrived yesterday late afternoon. I came home today and adorned it with all of the silly garb I ordered to make it look like a big gun. It's overkill but it does look cool, lol.
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I bought 1240 rounds of 22lr ammo too. I am going to go up to my Brother's place this weekend with my Wife and Son and we're going to test it out. I bought some targets to take to some property in the middle of nowhere that a friend of my brother owns. We'll be firing both 9 mms, the 22, a 357 magnum and a 12 gauge tactical shotgun. Should be a fun redneck day for all! LOL
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Nice Jason!! I like that a lot! I can see one of those in my future... What accessories did you go with? Not sure what is OEM, and what is not, looking at your picture. Obviously, the optics, light and forend grip/bipod are additions, but I'm wondering if that stock is all factory?
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I went back an read some older posts in here where I was asking about AR-15s and chuckled when I got to the part where you talk about people throwing anything they can on their guns to make it look cool, and that's exactly what I did to this little 22, lol. I added that cheap little scope, it comes off easily, no tools needed, just thumb screws, so I can shoot with the flip up sights. Other than adding that scope, I added the flashlight, laser, bipod as you already stated, sling and rail covers. It was all very cheap so I figured why not? The light and laser have pressure switches which I have strapped to the bipod, so that's neato, lol. It looks like a cool little plinker, can't wait to give it a rip!
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Oh yeah, the stock is "stock" :P
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I was wondering if the rail covers were included. Nice touch! I would recommend getting a cheap laser bore sighter to get the sights/scope close. You'll still have to refine them a bit, but it's a great starting point. Either that, or take it to your local gun shop and have them bore sight it for you.
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Any idea what a gun shop would charge to bore sight it? Do you know of a good brand of bore sights? I was looking at 9mm ones a few weeks back, hard to find a good one it seemed at the time. Mixed reviews.
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Any idea what a gun shop would charge to bore sight it? Do you know of a good brand of bore sights? I was looking at 9mm ones a few weeks back, hard to find a good one it seemed at the time. Mixed reviews.
Not sure - never had one done at a gun shop. Places like Academy, and Cabela's, have inexpensive ones. You should be able to find a universal model for $20-30. They have replaceable shafts that go in different barrel sizes, so they work with more than one caliber. Don't worry about reviews...this is not something you'll use often, and it's only to get it "close." A lot of people reviewing things like this really don't have the foggiest idea of what they're talking about! A bore sight is just a starting point, and a lot of people who buy these expect tack-driving accuracy...ain't gonna happen!
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I wasn't very happy last time I had the shop bore sight a weapon. I couldn't get on paper at 25yds...so I removed the bolt (bolt actions are great for this) and bore sighted that way. Should've gone back to get my $10 back, but I just decided to not take a rifle in for bore sighting. Figure I can get any style weapon on paper @25 which is all bore sighting is designed to do
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Over the last year of so our neighborhood has been invaded by flying rats (pigeons). After having enough of the pigeon poop covering my sidewalk and driveway, I invested in a .177 pellet gun of the 1250 fps variety. It came with a POS scope that has caused me a lot of grief but finally got it to where more birds are falling off the roof than not.
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Heck Dave a little dip in the brine and some rub then some smokin-it magic and you've got a main course there! Just don't chip a tooth on a pellet. I wonder what sides would go good with pigeon? :o
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Sounds like smoked pigeon pie time! :)
Nice looking piece RG. We will look forward to target pictures!
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Hey guys what's your take on this 9mm because I am looking ..........................http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp
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Hey Ginger, This looks like a nice piece. Might I suggest a 9mm for you it is the Beretta M9. This is the pistol that I carried as a security guard. I have put over 500 rounds thru it having to qualify to renew my license. Out of the box is a very smooth weapon and very accurate . I carry 10 rounds in the clips but will hold 15 rounds. Also this is very easy to break down to clean. And it was the standard issue for military a few years back. Here is some more info on this piece. http://www.beretta.com/en-us/m9/ Since I have not used the pistol you asked about cannot recommend it. But, since I have used and carried the Beretta I can recommend it for home protection. I also have a Colt Mk IV /series series 70 government model 45 acp 1911 for back up. I carry 5 rounds in its clip. I figure if 5 won't put a person down then throw the gun at him.. Good luck with your choice.
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Hey guys what's your take on this 9mm because I am looking ..........................http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp
I prefer a revolver and something with more knock down power like .357.
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Hey guys what's your take on this 9mm because I am looking ..........................http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp (http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp)
Go .40 or .45 ACP, and steel frame. I've seen the steel .45 ACP, but haven't had a chance to shoot one. Really well-built, but I'm really surprised Magnum Research is making a Tupperware gun. :(
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Hey guys what's your take on this 9mm because I am looking ..........................http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp (http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp)
Go .40 or .45 ACP, and steel frame. I've seen the steel .45 ACP, but haven't had a chance to shoot one. Really well-built, but I'm really surprised Magnum Research is making a Tupperware gun. :(
Which leads to a question of whether or not this weapon will be fired by both male and female shooters? I've been shopping for a small handled .357 so that both the wife and I can use it effectively in a defense situation.
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Hey guys what's your take on this 9mm because I am looking ..........................http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp (http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp)
Go .40 or .45 ACP, and steel frame. I've seen the steel .45 ACP, but haven't had a chance to shoot one. Really well-built, but I'm really surprised Magnum Research is making a Tupperware gun. :(
Which leads to a question of whether or not this weapon will be fired by both male and female shooters? I've been shopping for a small handled .357 so that both the wife and I can use it effectively in a defense situation.
It shouldn't matter. I've trained plenty of female police officers to handle & shoot full-size S&W .40 cal duty pistols (like the S&W 4046), without a problem. They are more capable than a lot of men give them credit for.
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Hey guys what's your take on this 9mm because I am looking ..........................http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp (http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby-Desert-Eagle-III.asp)
Tony , First off no poly here and to tell you the truth I really was thinking of this weapon ( two ) for my first choice for my wife and I http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-Baby-Desert-Eagle-II-9mm-Steel-Full-Size-15-round.asp and to tell you the truth a 9mm would be a perfect weapon to get my wife involved in shooting considering a 45 packs a little to much wallop for her and posting the link for a Desert Eagle- three was my mistake ..............sorry .
Go .40 or .45 ACP, and steel frame. I've seen the steel .45 ACP, but haven't had a chance to shoot one. Really well-built, but I'm really surprised Magnum Research is making a Tupperware gun. :(
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How about a .38 special +P S&W has some nice revolvers that are small frame and would fit nicely in a small or large hand. I got this pic off the S&W website. I think retail is 699. With some of the potent personal protection ammo the .38 is pretty formidable plus it's not hard to conceal or shoot.
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Tony , First off no poly here and to tell you the truth I really was thinking of this weapon ( two ) for my first choice for my wife and I http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-Baby-Desert-Eagle-II-9mm-Steel-Full-Size-15-round.asp (http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-Baby-Desert-Eagle-II-9mm-Steel-Full-Size-15-round.asp) and to tell you the truth a 9mm would be a perfect weapon to get my wife involved in shooting considering a 45 packs a little to much wallop for her and posting the link for a Desert Eagle- three was my mistake ..............sorry .
I like it! They make some fine firearms. But, I would look for a better deal on something like a used Beretta 92. They're all over the place, in 9mm, solid performers, and can save you some serious $$. It's what our military currently shoots, so it's easy for both sexes. ;)
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How about a .38 special +P S&W has some nice revolvers that are small frame and would fit nicely in a small or large hand. I got this pic off the S&W website. I think retail is 699. With some of the potent personal protection ammo the .38 is pretty formidable plus it's not hard to conceal or shoot.
Can't go wrong with a good wheel gun! Again, though, you can save a ton of money going with a good used S&W, Colt or Ruger revolver. They're not as "cool" to most folks as the semi's, so you can usually find a bargain. Check your local gun stores' used departments.
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http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/smith--wesson-model-642-38-special-p-revolver?repChildCatid=126616
This is basically the same gun with rubber grips. Pretty good price too. The one in the picture in my post above is a lady smith. The one in the link isn't. I say big deal they both go bang.
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http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/smith--wesson-model-642-38-special-p-revolver?repChildCatid=126616 (http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/smith--wesson-model-642-38-special-p-revolver?repChildCatid=126616)
This is basically the same gun with rubber grips. Pretty good price too. The one in the picture in my post above is a lady smith. The one in the link isn't. I say big deal they both go bang.
Great gun. The bobbed hammer is great for concealed carry, or a "purse" gun (can't snag it). Simple (double-action only), so it's a great gun to use under stress!
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J-Frame S&W's are great we have more than a few. The recoil can be sharp to some ladies hands even with milder loads. this is especially true in the Airweight guns.
I have switched to Liberty Ammunition http://libertyammunition.com/ in all of our J-Frames and the .380, it is smoking fast and light weight bullets so the recoil is mild. Watch some videos, this stuff performs.
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This last weeks 25th Wedding Anniversary Gift from my wife;
A S&W 624 .44 SPECIAL, LEW HORTON Edition, N-Frame With a K-Frame Round butt Grip
Manufactured in July of 1985 only 7000 Produced.
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I've got to check them out. What was that in the cooler they were shooting? I was watching it on my phone so I couldn't tell. Whatever it was disintegrated. Good stuff, thanks.
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Wow, that's one sweet piece! Congratulations on the anniversary and the kick a** pistol Brian!
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This last weeks 25th Wedding Anniversary Gift from my wife;
A S&W 624 .44 SPECIAL, LEW HORTON Edition, N-Frame With a K-Frame Round butt Grip
Manufactured in July of 1985 only 7000 Produced.
Thanks for the gun porn, Brian! I just drooled... That's a very nice weapon! So rare, too!
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Just ran across this thread two of my favorite things food and guns. As stated earlier train train and train , took a 2 today pistol and carbine class with Larry Vickers the summer.
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Liking you better all the time, Andre! Glad you're with us!
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Officially Jealous
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Had a chance to shoot that beauty yet, Brian?
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No waiting on payday I need to order some 44 special brass, I want to get nickled cases so I can tell at a glance they are not the magnums.
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I want to get nickled cases so I can tell at a glance they are not the magnums.
Solid plan - good thinking!
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Look here. Enough said:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/19/3d-printed-handheld-railgun/
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Wow, Tony! Looks like it has a ways to go, but quite an achievement!
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Since I last posted here I have gotten a couple more friends to add to the fold :)
I bought an AR-15 and then a 12 gauge tactical shotgun. I haven't even shot the shotgun yet.
Here's the AR
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I know it's silly loading it up with all the garb, especially the knife, but I like it lol. It's a heavy brute though. I may take some of it off, maybe not :P
I just realized I have no pics of the shotty, I'll have to take some.
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Here's a few pics of the shotgun. It's a security model Mossberg Maverick 88 12 gauge that I added an ATI Talon Grip and Stock w/Scorpion Recoil and Halo Ghost Ring Sights. I have yet to shoot it but I like it.
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Nice looking AR Jason! Don't think the shotgun pics came through. How does the AR shoot?
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Nice looking AR Jason! Don't think the shotgun pics came through. How does the AR shoot?
Dad gum!! I made the post and never added the pics, lol. I was being "harassed" by my wife to "help her" or some non-sense :P
I fixed it though, you should see 3 pics now.
The AR shoots fine, it's the operator that has the problem. All I have been doing is slinging expensive lead down the field! I can't get the dang sights zeroed in for squat! I think I may need some blue loctite to hold the set screws in place. That AR kicks like a donkey and I think it's losing zero!
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The collection just grew again. My Dad gave me a Glock 27 .40 and he sent it in the mail, lol. He's crazy!! Also, although he had no mag in the gun, he did have a round in the chamber!!!!!
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Boy, did he get lucky the Post Office was being their usual selves! I think that would have normally raised some big red flags!! :o
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I had to get onto him a little bit. I told him don't EVER send me a gun in the mail, just give it to me in person. He lives out of state and I don't see him much so he just figured he'd pack it up and send it!! Crazy.
I ended up giving that Glock to my son. He had recently bought a Glock .40 and had buyer's remorse. I don't know what model or generation it is but he wanted a smaller version for CC purposes so I gave him my newly acquired 27 as it's smaller than the one he bought. I told him to sell the one he has. He paid $300 for it, it was a police trade in. Hopefully he can find a buyer.
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Glad you're not on a "watch" list now, Jason! ;)
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Not getting "political," but this is funny! Thank Dave (Old Sarge) for sending it to me!
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Not getting "political," but this is funny! Thank Dave (Old Sarge) for sending it to me!
LOVE IT!! LOL
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I went shooting yesterday with my Wife, Son and Brother and for the life of me I can't get that dang AR sighted in for nothing! I am to the point where I am willing to let someone do it for me! I know......I ought to be ashamed but I just can't get it! Any idea what that service would run? I have a red/green dot sight and a magnifier that is quick connect mounted to the picatinny rail on top. The front iron sight is still in place, rear one was removed obviously.
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Jason, do they make a bore laser for that gun?
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Jason, do they make a bore laser for that gun?
Standard .223 laser sight. I like the one that's shaped like a shell casing and fits in the bore. You can also use the universal type, that have different size rods that fit the end of the barrel (for the right caliber). It gives you a good starting point, and makes fine-tuning at the range much easier!
One thing I would recommend, Jason, is any sight attachment on a Picatinny rail needs to be tightened-down well, and don't remove it. Yes, it's for quick attachment, but once you have it sighted-in, you'll never be able to remove/reattach without having to zero it again.
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Dave, yep Tony is right, they do make one but I am not sure which one to get. I've seen some on Amazon but all seem to have mixed reviews. If you know of one to recommend I'd love to hear it!
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Since the purpose of a bore sighter is just to get you on paper, I just started at 25 yards (if you can't get on paper at 25 yards, you probably need to remount the optics) then worked my way up. I also had to adjust a few more times as I got used to the AR style of rifle. I'm going to assume that it was because my shoulder placement changed as I got more used to the rifle
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Since the purpose of a bore sighter is just to get you on paper, I just started at 25 yards (if you can't get on paper at 25 yards, you probably need to remount the optics) then worked my way up. I also had to adjust a few more times as I got used to the AR style of rifle. I'm going to assume that it was because my shoulder placement changed as I got more used to the rifle
I agree with the getting on paper part but my experience with rifles and scopes is 25 yards is too close. The angle of the scope to barrel to get on paper will be such that one will be off by a foot or more at 100 yards. The first time that I tried to sight in my rifle using your approach, I went through 2 boxes of ammo just to get on paper at 100. I would suggest maybe starting at 50 for the initial sighting. It was also helpful for me to plaster multiple targets at the 100 yard mark so that if I missed the intended target, I still had a reference to where the holes I was making actually were.
Jason, I agree with Tony, a chambered bore sight would be the way I would go with that.
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Might this link be of some assistance?
https://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=556355
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Excellent zero targets, Dave!
Stephen - I agree that a boresight is just intended to get "close." But, the new laser sights are so much more accurate than the old optical boresighters, you can get much closer. I like to boresight a rifle at 50 yds, then zero (live ammo) at 100. Haven't checked the ballistics of the .223/5.56 flight path, as my experience with tight zeros has always been with a .308 accurized bolt-action and match-grade ammo. That round crosses zero at 50 and 100 yards. For those of you following, that means if you are zeroed at 50 yds, it will be zeroed at 100, because the flight path of the bullet is still rising when it crosses 50 yards, and has fallen back to the same point at 100.
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Shots at 25 yards should be low. They are low equal to the distance from the center of the bore to the center of your scope. At that short distance the bullet has not had a chance to rise or fall. For me 25 yards always works, then zero is checked at 100. Saves ammunition and frustration.
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I have a concealed carry permit and own 2 Glocks. In NC you are required to take an 8 hr. class; pass a written exam; and test out on the gun range and pass. If you're a resident of VA, you know that recently they (Democratic leaders) decided that they will no longer honor the reciprocal agreement with NC (and most other states) to allow concealed carry permits. I was born in VA, and most of my family members still live there. So I visit often. Needless to say, I'm unhappy with this change. Hopefully, the VA legislature can undo this. If you've from VA, please make you voice known! Take a stand!
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I KNOW this thread is OLD but I have added to the collection since this post was made. I recently acquired more pistols from my Dad. He has given me a Bodyguard 380 (I gave it to my wife as an alternate C&C), a Glock 40 cal (not sure which model, gave it to my son), a S&W 40 (gave to my son), a Remington 9mm (I actually LOVE this gun!), a S&W 9mm M&P (another great gun, gave it my son), a 38 Special (gave it to my wife), a 327 revolver (gave it to my son). Ruger SRC40 for me. So...he's given me a lot of choices for the firing range. We took them down to fire last weekend. My favorite of the bunch was the dang Remington! I was VERY accurate with that gun, more so than with my son's Glocks, which used to be my favorite to shoot. The guns I liked least were the 327 revolver (hurts when you fire it!, kicks like a 357 magnum!) and the 380. Its slide is not the easiest to pull back and it has a relatively hard trigger pull. All in all, I'm real happy with the lot. He has more guns but I let my brother have them, several rifles, a 44 mag, another S&W 40 and a 38 special. He only kept a 357 magnum and a 45 cal Glock and a 308 rifle and a shotgun. He'll buy more as long as he's living, I already know it, lol.
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Bodyguard 380 (I gave it to my wife - Its slide is not the easiest to pull back and it has a relatively hard trigger pull
If the slide is difficult and the trigger sucks why would you want that as a carry gun for your wife? Ease of operation and maximum reliability are what is needed in a carry gun.
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Bodyguard 380 (I gave it to my wife - Its slide is not the easiest to pull back and it has a relatively hard trigger pull
If the slide is difficult and the trigger sucks why would you want that as a carry gun for your wife? Ease of operation and maximum reliability are what is needed in a carry gun.
It was my first time shooting it so I didn't know. She has other guns but her main C&C is a Beretta Nano 9mm. It works flawless. I am not that impressed with the 380.I will clean it and see if there was just some gunk making the slide difficult.
Oh, and thanks for the tip ::)
LOL