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Recipes => Jerky => Topic started by: DivotMaker on March 10, 2014, 07:59:03 PM
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This is the "adjusted" batch, based on what I learned with my first attempt at brined jerky here:
http://smokinitforums.com/index.php?topic=1503.0 (http://smokinitforums.com/index.php?topic=1503.0)
I learned a few things about what I wanted, and I think this batch got pretty darn close to what I was expecting!
First of all, I loved the taste of a little Jim Baldridge's Secret Seasoning on the surface of the jerky (which I added to the dehydrator jerky). Also, adding that made it overly-salty for my taste. I also thought it could use a tad more soy sauce flavor, and brown sugar.
So the new equilibrium brine was this:
Meat: 4095 g (9 lbs)
Cure #1: 6.25%
Salt %: 1.5 (used 2% last time)
Sugar %: 2.5 (used 2% last time)
ppm cure: 156
Calculated, this gave me:
Cure #1 10.22g
Salt 52g
Brown sugar 102g
I also used 2 cups of soy sauce, 1 cup of Worcestershire sauce, 1 Tbsp. garlic and onion powder (each). I omitted the cayenne from the brine, as the Baldridge adds enough heat for me.
The meat was in the brine for 36 hours (Saturday batch), and 50 hours (Sunday batch). I found I could fit 4.5 lbs at a time, on 4 racks, in the #2. Due to this being an equilibrium brine, leaving it in an extra day made no difference in saltiness. That's the great thing about equilibrium brining; once the sodium equalizes in the meat and solution, it absolutely cannot get saltier than calculated!
The Saturday batch got treated to 1.95 oz. of hickory, and the Sunday batch got mesquite. I set the Auber to 145 for 10 hours. Going only with time and temp, I only used the box temp probe. Probe was placed in the middle of the 4 shelves, hanging down, but not touching shelves or meat.
I smoked, without the fan, for 2 full hours. When I added the fan, the smoke had not completely stopped, but soon cleared out. I think I'll go with 1.5 oz of wood next time.
The Saturday batch went for just over 8 hours. It was patted-dry before smoking. Because the meat is cured, it has a deep red appearance, even when dry. It's plenty dry, but still soft and chewy. I keep the finished jerky in the fridge, to avoid any mold issues, since it's not dry as leather.
The Sunday batch didn't get patted dry. Straight from the brine to the racks! This batch took 9 hours total. I couldn't really tell any difference, other than it took longer. At about 6 hours in, I bumped the temp up to 150. It's good to absorb excess brine from the meat before smoking.
I'll try to reproduce this recipe next time, as my son let me know it was perfect! 8)
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That looks awesome!
I was thinking I would like to try that Jim Baldridge Seasoning as I love to try different seasonings. I have a cupboard full of probably 10-20 different kinds right now. But at $12 for a 4.7oz shaker or $20 for a 12oz shaker shipped, it is pretty spendy.
Are there cheaper places or do they just sell it direct?
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Hey Tony, what is a good cut of meat to make jerky with other than Deer meat. I would like to try some beef jerky but not sure of what cut to purchase.
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Tony,
The jerky looks really good, I have not made jerky in over 20 years. I may put this on my list for Xmas gifts for family and friends.
Greg
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Hey Tony, what is a good cut of meat to make jerky with other than Deer meat. I would like to try some beef jerky but not sure of what cut to purchase.
bill, basically any cut of meat that is low in fat and connective tissue and sinew can be used.
Look for what is on sale in the meat markets and grocery stores.
Many meat markets will even thin slice it for you.
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So maybe an eye of the round, london broil, or rump roast. Is this what you are talking about. Not keen on meat terminology yet, but am trying to catch on. Next week will be going to a place in K.C. to check out their meat dept. called Restaurant Depot.
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Hey Tony, what is a good cut of meat to make jerky with other than Deer meat. I would like to try some beef jerky but not sure of what cut to purchase.
I like the eye of round roasts best, because they are very lean. You can trim away any excess fat, after slicing (fat is the enemy to good jerky). Just look for the leanest piece of beef you can find! I've used sirloin tip roasts, too, but much more waste.
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Thanks now in wait for membership card to kcbs, then can hit the restaurant depot...
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I second the use of "Eye of The Round".
Mark
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Thanks gentlemen, I have a couple of questions, before you slice you put it in the freezer for about an hour, is this right to firm up and make slicing easier? Also I know you gave me instructions b/4 on removing the membrane from ribs but cannot find it. Can you repeat for me, thanks?
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Thanks gentlemen, I have a couple of questions, before you slice you put it in the freezer for about an hour, is this right to firm up and make slicing easier? Also I know you gave me instructions b/4 on removing the membrane from ribs but cannot find it. Can you repeat for me, thanks?
Yes, firming-up in the freezer for an hour or so makes the slicing much easier. It will thaw before you're done slicing, but just toward the end.
The easiest way I've found to remove the membrane is to start in the middle of the rack, with a butter knife. Gently work it under the membrane, from side to side, to make a "pocket" all the way across. Insert a finger and thumb, hold the ribs down, and lift up on the membrane "handle" like a little meat suitcase. The membrane will strip off from the middle to the ends! Takes me about 2 minutes to clean 3 racks!
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And that will work on spare ribs also? I wish we still had a milgram's grocery store. My mom used to get really good ribs there. Sort if a St. Louis cut but still had the flap on the back. They were really good and lots of meat. I might get lucky at the Restaurant Depot.
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Bill - it'll work with St Louis cuts as well. If they're full racks of spares (untrimmed), it's a little tougher. The membrane isn't as "consistent" as it is on baby backs. May have to use a combination of techniques. Nothing wrong with the paper towel method, I just find the middle-out technique much quicker.
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Another question for the jerky, after you slice it. Do you use a brine mixture or a dry mixture to cure before smoking? And do you use your own or a store bought one. I have the Hi Mountain jerky cure that is hickory flavored. Also just looked and does not appear to have msg in it. At least could not find where msg was listed on the outside package. My Dad uses that brand on deer meat but does not use the cure. He complains it is too much salt. So when he gives me jerky I say thanks and toss it. Usually if not after a few days it has mold on it. ewwwwwww
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Another question for the jerky, after you slice it. Do you use a brine mixture or a dry mixture to cure before smoking? And do you use your own or a store bought one. I have the Hi Mountain jerky cure that is hickory flavored. Also just looked and does not appear to have msg in it. At least could not find where msg was listed on the outside package. My Dad uses that brand on deer meat but does not use the cure. He complains it is too much salt. So when he gives me jerky I say thanks and toss it. Usually if not after a few days it has mold on it. ewwwwwww
Bill, look back to the first post in this thread, and I detail the brine I use. There is also a link to my first attempt at an equilibrium brine, and the results. This brine works very well, and I can reproduce it very consistently. The use of curing salt is vitally important to jerky, imo. The Hi Mountain cure you referenced is fine. I just choose to make my own, so I have better control of the ingredients and salt content.
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Thanks for all the info Tony, and have a wonderful weekend
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Both wet and dry brines work well. I typically use the High Mountain and High Country Jerky mixes as they have really good flavor and a lot of different choices.
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Both wet and dry brines work well. I typically use the High Mountain and High Country Jerky mixes as they have really good flavor and a lot of different choices.
I have to say I got hooked on the High Mountain Garlic Pepper and Black Pepper Seasonings combined with a good shake of Baldridge. It is FANTASTIC! I use Flank Steak cut to 1/4" strips with the grain. I KNOW I am in the minority but I do not trim the fat unless it is a HUGE amount. That is often the best bite in the Jerky. I keep mine in the fridge anyway so it never has lasted more than 3 or 4 weeks and has never gone bad.
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Bet that's good, Big! The key to jerky, imo, is the use of curing salt, which your mixes contain.
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I am still going to try doing 2 hrs. at 145 in the smoker then finish in my dehydrator. Since I have it and is just collecting dust. ;)
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Should work fine, Bill!
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Okay, think I am going to follow your process for my first jerky in my 4d. I was trying to avoid having to brine or cure but looking like I have no choice. I have a jerky dryer being shipped. One question that I hAve is do you recommend 150 during the whole 10 hours versus 140 and have you changed anything since this post?
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Okay, think I am going to follow your process for my first jerky in my 4d. I was trying to avoid having to brine or cure but looking like I have no choice. I have a jerky dryer being shipped. One question that I hAve is do you recommend 150 during the whole 10 hours versus 140 and have you changed anything since this post?
Hey Tman I just got done with my first batch and I followed this post very closely and love the results. I set mine at around 145 (mark before 150 on Model 2) for the entire time and didn't mess with it and they turned out great. I'll be making small changes here and there but that's mainly just for flavor experimentation. This was a great tasting recipe and I think is perfect to be my "original" flavor.
http://smokinitforums.com/index.php?topic=6180.0
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thanks!
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Hi All. This is an old thread I'd like to revive, if ya'll don't mind. I, just yesterday, ordered the James dryer so I won't have it for the batch I'm making today. I'll use my de-hydrator for this one and next week I'll use my 3d. In the past I've had good results with what I made using the electric de-hydrator. My question comes for next weeks batch. I'd like to smoke it using the lowest temp and would like to know what should I expect the lowest temperature I can manage with my SI 3d to get smoke ????? In my old rig I could easily do cold smoke and actually get no heat at all. A few weeks ago I made some cold smoked salmon and using a Big Kahuna smoke generator and leaving the door open a crack worked pretty well. Would I be better to do that and smoke my jerkey for awhile ??? Or close things up and use the heat ????
ThanX all.
Roger from NJ
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I have no idea how you would set you D model to mimic what I do with and analog model.
In my #3, with chips in the fire box I crank the heat with the door open while I load the racks with meat. As soon as smoke is visible I cut the heat to 100 then close the smoker door. Most often I get smoke before I finish loading all the meat, five to eight minutes should be enough to get it started. Run the entire smoke at 100 with a jerky fan, you will be drying the meat not cooking it. After 3 hours open the smoker, flip the meat and rotate the shelves, add chips if necessary.
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ThanX Brian. I think I can manage to do that on mine. I haven't gotten the dryer yet. It was supposed to be delivered today but the tracking info now says tomorrow. I have 5# of beef marinating so I guess it will have to wait until tomorrow now. The small batch I made using my de-hydrator came out pretty well so I'm looking forward to trying a batch in the 3d. I'll be doing a bunch of ribs for the weekend so I'd like to get this done first.