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Title: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on January 07, 2016, 06:58:59 PM
As some of you know I am active on several sites.  Well, after bringing up the new digital model smokers from SI, spreading the gospel so to speak, I was banned. I won't mention the site; not worth it (it is the second site I have been banned from). And all my previous posts regarding Smokin-it and another well known smoker as well as my other equipment have been removed.  Such is life. 
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: jcboxlot on January 07, 2016, 08:14:36 PM
Sounds like you hit a nerve and won!

Sort of like arguing politics at times:)  You just get censored to the Siberia.   

I call your removal a win.

Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on January 07, 2016, 08:16:18 PM
Way to go, Dave!  You know you're making an impact when they ban you!  Although I haven't joined your "banned" club, I've been warned several times! >:(
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on January 07, 2016, 09:20:00 PM
One tries.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: SconnieQ on January 07, 2016, 11:03:18 PM
Do you find that there is a lot more negativity on that site in general? Or are they just anti-electric smoker? I know there can be a lot of snootiness in the BBQ world. This forum is really positive, and friendly to other opinions and equipment. Hope that never changes. I've read comments sections on various popular BBQ sites, and have been shocked at the level of brutality.

I feel like it's because we've all been "enlightened" by our experience with the SI, to the point that we don't really have to "defend" it. The BBQ purists are missing out on a great tool. Coming from a background of following more BBQ "snootiness" myself, I'm happy to be free of that.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on January 07, 2016, 11:05:02 PM
Well-said, Kari!! ;D
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on January 08, 2016, 11:00:43 AM
Kari-No hostility at all. I think it had more to do with my low participation over the last few years. Essentially my post must have been interpreted as an unsolicited commercial or sales pitch. So I can live with it and I understand having to enforce forum rules. What really hurt was calling it spam. spam is one of my favorite foods. Dave
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: smokeasaurus on January 08, 2016, 11:15:25 AM
Hey Sarge, it wasn't on my forum was it......I a haven't heard of anything in the moderator portion??????
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: G man on January 08, 2016, 11:25:50 AM
Hey Sarge, it wasn't on my forum was it......I a haven't heard of anything in the moderator portion??????

What is your forum Smokeasaurus?
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on January 08, 2016, 12:53:40 PM
Scott - Nope. Your's has been real friendly.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: smokeasaurus on January 08, 2016, 08:11:31 PM
Hey Sarge, it wasn't on my forum was it......I a haven't heard of anything in the moderator portion??????

What is your forum Smokeasaurus?

letstalkbbq.com
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: kz0m on January 08, 2016, 09:10:28 PM
Sarge:  The beatings will continue until moral improves ;-))
If we haven't been kicked out of something at one time or another...we're probably not doing our job!  Good for you doing a good job Sarge!
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on January 08, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
For those of you who don't know, Dave is one of the early "founding members" here (if not the earliest), and spends a lot of time stalking the various forums, pushing the SI cause!  He is a great asset here, and a friend.  Thanks for what you do, buddy!
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: NDKoze on January 09, 2016, 12:11:26 AM
I am happy to say that Dave helped open my eyes to Smokin-It on another forum.

I almost bought a Masterbuilt, and am so glad that I did not.

I had never even heard about SI and wasn't planning on spending that much money on a smoker. But after doing a comparison, the choice was pretty easy.

And I will say that Dave presents the options well. He just urges people to take a look at the SI's and make their own decisions.

I have thanked you Dave a few times already, but every time I fire up my my steel-boxed friend I am happy you steered me away from that plastic and cheap metal alternative.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: SconnieQ on January 09, 2016, 01:11:53 AM
I guess it is that forum's loss. Too bad for the other participants, whose exposure to a variety of equipment and opinions has been censored.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: G man on January 09, 2016, 11:03:29 AM
I know there can be a lot of snootiness in the BBQ world.

Snoots?  Now there is another idea for something to smoke!! ;)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: smokeasaurus on January 09, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
This was one of the reasons we started lets talk bbq. A bunch of us was on the old Char-Broil forum "Sizzle on the Grill" Char-Broil stopped supporting it. We were getting blasted with spam. Towards the end there was no control over who signed up. Had trolls and posers and loose cannons. We were so constrained to only show Char Broil products in use. We had so much more to offer.......so we branched off and played in our own sand box.......where every type of outdoor cooking style (and in-door) is welcome.

I love this forum.....it has the same friendly vibe and old flannel shirt feeling as my other forum  8)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on January 09, 2016, 01:08:13 PM
There are many equipment specific forums dedicated to a specific manufacturers product.  This forum is dedicated to Smokin-it.  Cookshack, SmokinTex, Bradley all have their own dedicated forums so it is understandable if moderators removed posts or ban those who extol the virtues of a competing forum or product. I am comfortable with that. All inclusive forums cover a wide variety of outdoor cookers:  electric, gassers, pellet poopers, charcoal, wood and the like. Let's talk BBQ, Smoking Meat Forums, the Q joint and others are among them. These I prowl looking for those trying to decide what to get.  And I have helped some with a non-SI or CS smoker when it seemed like they were being ignored. It is fair say that I am no longer posting on one of them. 



Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: RG on January 09, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
Well, I have not been banned (yet) but I have checked out of a few places in my years perusing forums. The place where I am an Admin of has not gotten much of my attention lately as they tend to be dyed in the wool staunch supporters of the grill that we all have in common over there. They don't mind a post of cooks on other vessels but really they just tolerate it. There are 2 users in particular that give me a hard time about it. They are closed minded idiots (did I just say that?? YEP!) and they can't see the usefulness of other types of cookers.. I love my SI and my other cookers but I just don't even bring anything else up over "there" so as to not anger the natives, lol.

I get where they are coming from as for seemingly trying to upstage their cooker but it's not the intent at all. I love my kegs as well. Same as here really, I do talk about my other cookers but I really DO try to keep it to a minimal :)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: smokeasaurus on January 09, 2016, 04:06:12 PM
I am a member of a very popular "Pellet" forum and I really have to walk on egg-shells over there. Members (not all but most) are combative and argumentative. If a "crap-storm" breaks out the moderators will actually add fuel to the flame. It has been discovered that pm's are actually viewed by admins. It is worth it for me to hang there because they do have some real good reviews and members that make the tension worth-while............pellet cooking is still in its infancy so I value the good stuff there...........
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on January 09, 2016, 04:34:39 PM
I have often wondered if PMs were viewable by someone other than the intended recipient.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: smokeasaurus on January 09, 2016, 07:26:51 PM
I have often wondered if PMs were viewable by someone other than the intended recipient.

They can be but only if warranted...........
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: RG on January 09, 2016, 07:32:08 PM
On the forum that I am an administrator on, I can't view others PMs. We use the same software as this forum.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: bob bkk on January 13, 2016, 12:24:51 PM
Well, I have not been banned (yet) but I have checked out of a few places in my years perusing forums. The place where I am an Admin of has not gotten much of my attention lately as they tend to be dyed in the wool staunch supporters of the grill that we all have in common over there. They don't mind a post of cooks on other vessels but really they just tolerate it. They are closed minded idiots (did I just say that?? YEP!) and they can't see the usefulness of other types of cookers. I love my SI and my other cookers but I just don't even bring anything else up over "there" so as to not anger the natives, lol.

I get where they are coming from as for seemingly trying to upstage their cooker but it's not the intent at all. Same as here really, I do talk about my other cookers but I really DO try to keep it to a minimal :)
Sounds like a place to avoid as there are enough closed minded idiots in the world already.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: RG on January 13, 2016, 09:03:45 PM
Well, I have not been banned (yet) but I have checked out of a few places in my years perusing forums. The place where I am an Admin of has not gotten much of my attention lately as they tend to be dyed in the wool staunch supporters of the grill that we all have in common over there. They don't mind a post of cooks on other vessels but really they just tolerate it. They are closed minded idiots (did I just say that?? YEP!) and they can't see the usefulness of other types of cookers. I love my SI and my other cookers but I just don't even bring anything else up over "there" so as to not anger the natives, lol.

I get where they are coming from as for seemingly trying to upstage their cooker but it's not the intent at all. Same as here really, I do talk about my other cookers but I really DO try to keep it to a minimal :)
Sounds like a place to avoid as there are enough closed minded idiots in the world already.

It's actually a wonderful forum and that statement made by me was a little too general. Most of the folks on there are awesome, just like on here and every other BBQ forum. It's a common interest that we sometimes get a little passionate about. That statement was really meant to describe 2 individuals, not naming names mind you. I see the beauty in all grills and cookers and I like them for different reasons. Sure, you can boast that this one does this and this one does that and yada yada, it doesn't mean that there's not something better out there or just as good. That's all I am saying. In actuality, idiot is a strong word, I should've just stuck with closed minded. I am no better than a 3rd grader calling names by saying that. Actually, I myself was at one time opposed to using an electric smoker but as I read more and more about them, it sounded like something I wanted to try and I am very glad I did. Does it do all that my other grills do? Nope. It's not meant for that, it's purpose built and it does what it was designed to do and it does it very well.

The user that is creating a massive disturbance in conjunction with another over on my forum that I moderate has stalked me here and copied the above post of mine to again create trouble as he is a very immature grown man that is mad that he has not gotten his way and he sees fit to stalk me on other forums. That is about as sad as sad can get. He has been banned by the company rep admin on that forum and I hope that he will not be back here to create drama that is not needed. On behalf of Broil King and their admin staff, I apologize to anyone that has been exposed to the rogue user's misdeeds. Tony (Divotmaker) is aware of his shenanigans is going to keep that from occurring again! Thanks Tony ;)

Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on January 13, 2016, 09:50:00 PM
Sounds like a place to avoid as there are enough closed minded idiots in the world already.

Well-said, Bob!  I see this is your first post.  Head over to the Introductions section and tell us a little about yourself (BBQ experience, what model SI you have, etc.).  As you can also see, pretty much all of us add a first name and town/area to our signature line.  I look forward to hearing from you!
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: RG on January 14, 2016, 12:27:32 PM
Not that this is even needed to be posted here but I have resigned my position on the other forum. It's a shame that it came to that but it was for the betterment of their board. The drama needed to cease so I helped streamline that process. I am no longer affiliated with that forum in any way, shape or form. If any of you have questions about their wares, PM me and I can answer any questions. They have a wonderful product and a mostly wonderful group of guys. I will miss them but I am relieved to be done with it as it allows me to go back to being just a BBQing machine, lol. Thanks guys for humoring me :)

As a side note, I know you guys know how great Tony is, what he does is NOT easy and unsavory users can make an already thankless job even more of a task. This forum has a different vibe to it with level heads so I don't think it will ever spiral out of control. I look forward to being on here with you guys and wish each of you nothing but the best ;)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: BedouinBob on January 14, 2016, 01:13:17 PM
Bummer that that had to occur RG! This is a cooking hobby and should be fun for whomever is involved. There are too many other things that we could get animated about......smoking great meats shouldn't be one of them. Just sayin'......  ;)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: NDKoze on January 14, 2016, 01:41:43 PM
Bummer that that had to occur RG! This is a cooking hobby and should be fun for whomever is involved. There are too many other things that we could get animated about......smoking great meats shouldn't be one of them. Just sayin'......  ;)

+1 on this. It is a shame that they will lose your experience over there. But their loss is out gain.

Hopefully, the family vibe continues here and we make Tony's job as easy as we can. Hopefully, he doesn't have to do a bunch of behind the scenes work where he is dealing with similar situations.

Being a moderator certainly takes a lot of time and dedication, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that "Tony is a huge asset and this forum would not have experienced the rapid growth and success without him".

BBQ on people!
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: RG on January 14, 2016, 02:41:09 PM
Thanks guys!! I appreciate y'all :)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on January 14, 2016, 07:04:34 PM
Thank you, Jason, Gregg and everyone here, for making my duties very easy!  Yes, Gregg, our group and family-friendly environment makes for a great place to hang out, and is easy to deal with.  Fortunately, not too much "behind the scenes" drama!  Although we occasionally have our differences, we all seem to work through our heated discussions like ladies and gentlemen!  We certainly don't have to agree about everything, but it's how we have all dealt with those differences that sets us apart from any group I've ever been involved with - and I'm very proud to be a small part of it!
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on January 14, 2016, 07:28:34 PM
and I'm very proud to be a small part of it!

A very LARGE part.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: Limey on January 14, 2016, 09:55:12 PM
+1 and thank you Tony.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on January 14, 2016, 11:04:37 PM
Aw, shucks guys, stop it!  You're making me blush! :-[
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: es1025 on January 15, 2016, 11:34:34 AM
Spreading the word is a good thing, these smokers work great. No sure why any forum would ban anyone. Saving money and producing great product, what could be worse.  Keep up the great work Dave!
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: Trip on January 30, 2016, 11:47:00 PM
LOL Sarge, I'm still addicted to my SI thanks to you.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: Texan in Tulsa on February 01, 2016, 01:40:35 PM
Hey Sarge................have you tried smoking any of that Spam?  I know I love it fried. Smoked has to be even better.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 01, 2016, 10:09:56 PM
Spam is a staple in our home.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on February 01, 2016, 10:13:03 PM
Spam is a staple in our home.

Do I see some "twice-smoked Spam" in you future?  Mmm, mmm! ;D
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 01, 2016, 10:17:59 PM
Possibly!  It comes smoked and there is also Turkey Spam for the 'health conscious'. But there is something about a crispy, fried spam sandwich.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: SconnieQ on February 01, 2016, 10:20:10 PM
Suddenly I'm considering buying Spam for the first time in my life. :P I remember seeing the cans of it in the cupboard when I was a child, but I don't remember eating it. Wonder where my mom hid it?
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 02, 2016, 08:58:22 AM
Spam with rice; spam with beans and rice; spam with Mac and cheese; spam ka bobs; spam and eggs; spam with whatever omelet; and the list goes on. They have a great web site.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: BedouinBob on February 02, 2016, 10:59:43 AM
David, now you ave me hankerin' for spam pancakes....... Fry sliced spam on first side til brown, flip, and put buttermilk pancake batter on top. Cook til done. Yum! Kari, if you haven't tried spam, you owe it to yourself.  :)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 02, 2016, 02:48:13 PM
That would be spam under a quilt; not to be confused with a pig in a blanket.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: RG on February 02, 2016, 03:00:16 PM
That would be spam under a quilt; not to be confused with a pig in a blanket.

I was thinking more like "Spam in a Sham".
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 02, 2016, 03:29:00 PM
Still good eating no matter how it's done.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on February 02, 2016, 09:50:18 PM
Suddenly I'm considering buying Spam for the first time in my life. :P I remember seeing the cans of it in the cupboard when I was a child, but I don't remember eating it. Wonder where my mom hid it?

Go for it!  Don't know what you're missing! ;)
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 03, 2016, 11:11:59 AM
One of life's great and tasty experiences. 
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: SconnieQ on February 04, 2016, 07:21:41 PM
Quickly browsed the q joint forum. Most of the electric smoker posts seem to have to do with Masterbuilt and how wonderful they are. Even when the SI is brought up, they seem to steer in the direction of the Cookshack. What a shame. I felt sorry for those who were asking for honest information. I had to stop browsing, because it felt like people were being pointed in the wrong direction. I did a lot of research on all of the brands before I purchased. When it comes to electric smokers, cost, quality and performance go to the SI. Not even close. It's not just opinion, it is a measurable fact.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 04, 2016, 07:42:45 PM
Kari - You noticed the electrics were headlined as Masterbuilt and Cookshack.  I was not very active on that site and my last post was literally my last. I cannot even read the forums anymore. So it is up to you and others to spread the word outside of the SI site. Nothing wrong with missionary work, so to speak. I can still do discuss SI on two other sites from time to time. Dave
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: SconnieQ on February 04, 2016, 09:08:46 PM
Suddenly I'm considering buying Spam for the first time in my life. :P I remember seeing the cans of it in the cupboard when I was a child, but I don't remember eating it. Wonder where my mom hid it?

Go for it!  Don't know what you're missing! ;)

Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spamity Spam!...Wonderful Spam!

https://youtu.be/M_eYSuPKP3Y?t=1s

I don't what got into me.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 04, 2016, 09:28:36 PM
So let it be written, so let it be done/eaten.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: DivotMaker on February 04, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Suddenly I'm considering buying Spam for the first time in my life. :P I remember seeing the cans of it in the cupboard when I was a child, but I don't remember eating it. Wonder where my mom hid it?

Go for it!  Don't know what you're missing! ;)

Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spamity Spam!...Wonderful Spam!

https://youtu.be/M_eYSuPKP3Y?t=1s (https://youtu.be/M_eYSuPKP3Y?t=1s)

I don't what got into me.


Love it!!  Can't beat Monty Python singing about Spam! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: smokeasaurus on February 05, 2016, 12:31:58 AM
I was on the Q-Joint when I was a cowboy dealer for Ace of Hearts BBQ..........I got out of Dodge pretty quickly........ :o
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: old sarge on February 07, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
I have been re-instated on that other forum.  Turns out that in 3 years I posted only 5 times. All on one smoker.  Made by a fellow named Steve. I clearly violated their policies. They were gracious enough to reconsider and I have apologized. Since I have very limited and intermittant hands on experience with SI, I will have to be careful in my comments/recommendations. I suppose if I had posted photos of results things would have continued but alas, that was not and is not possible. Anyway, that is the end of it.

Hope all have a good Super Bowl day.
Title: Re: Banned.......Again
Post by: RG on February 07, 2016, 12:56:26 PM
Sarge, sometimes people don't like hearing about something they don't own or something better than they own. It's sad. Adults should be able to act like adults. A couple of members (one in particular) from my old forum didn't like me saying anything not 100% sunshine blowing up the you know what about the cooker we all had in common which is odd since a buddy of mine that works for the company that makes the dang thing doesn't even get bothered by my opinion of other cookers and even agrees with me on certain aspects, lol.

It's okay though, we know what we have ;)