Jack, I've played with final butt temps several times, and 185-190 works great! Pretty much as soon as it gets through the stall, and the temp starts climbing again, most of the cooking is done. I find 195 and higher makes them dry-out too much, for me, and prefer the juicier meat, with a little firmness to it, that I get by not passing 190. Never had a bone not pull clean, at those temps, either!